The New Testament was originally written in Greek. In Europe, the language of the Bible was Latin, known to the priests, until we got the first English translations.
Also, I like to drink. So to make my point, eventually, take this (John, Chapter 2, Verse 10): And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now
Which is to say, verily, why does the Book of Mormon use the Greek à Latin à Olde English language of the King James Bible (the default, btw, in the 19th Century)? Well, because Mormons believe the Book of Mormon was actually written more than 2,000 years ago, on the continent of North America, in a language identical to that translation of Greek to Latin to Olde English. But I digress.
And now, Lisa. Quoting myself in the first post: “Christians get to own the definition of the term.” And quoting myself from the second post: “the definition of the word “Christian” is owned by the keepers of the book” (the bible). And from the third post: “The deal-breaker for Mormons, from an Orthodox Christian perspective, is in not requiring basic Christian tenets as the exclusive means of salvation.”
In posts 1 – 3, my point is and has always been that Mormons may call themselves Christians, but they are not.
Which apparently is very controversial.
Surely every word holds variations on meaning for every speaker. While there may be some ultimate, Platonic perfection of the essential truth of a thing, in the speaking and writing, well, like dust from a boot, some meaning may fall to the ground, lost. And so, Geoff, Lisa says Mormons are Christians while I hold they are not. Which allows for all sorts of commentary on the nature of meaning, and language, depending on your personal bent. My argument remains the same: Christians get to define what a Christian makes, and Christians hold that, exclusively, the Bible and belief in the truth thereof defines the word.
And also, Geoff, your quotes. Well, hmm. “Be reconciled unto him through the atonement of Christ, his Only Begotten Son, and ye may obtain a resurrection, according to the power of the resurrection which is in Christ,” sounds to me very Christian. Where I still find myself stumped is in believing that deviations – extreme deviations – from Orthodox Christianity still count as Christian. Are the Rastafarians Christian? How about the cult of Jim Jones? And then, Mormons, who believe that the Gospel of Christ has existed throughout time, and that Christianity was practiced in the American Continent before Christ’s birth and that, if memory serves, the Book of Mormon came to Joseph Smith in New York in the 19th century, and supplements the Bible. And because Mormons hold that the Bible (that book!) is NOT the only book that should be accepted as divine scripture, and that well, I still say, sorry, but Mormons are not Christians. Or at least let me say this: Mormons are not Christians, according to the classical and orthodox definitions of Christianity. Lisa says that belief in Christ a Christian makes, and so, Geoff, Lisa says that you are a Christian. Lisa, I happen to know, is a very nice lady, and she is very tough, and smart, and she agrees with you. She may be wrong, but whatever.
And at the end of the day, this non-believer is left to marvel at all this passion.